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Zane Major


Posts: 612 Join date: 2008-09-06 Age: 100 Location: In a place
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:43 pm | |
| Agian i don't see the point, as I clearly stated there will be no politics involved. _________________ Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
We feel free when we escape, even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
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|  | | br55ftw Sergeant


Posts: 230 Join date: 2009-04-04 Age: 15 Location: Clinton, NY
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:46 pm | |
| I know, just wanted to point that out. And I'm in as long as it doesn't get out of hand. _________________ Primary Weapon: Echo 1 SPR MOD 1 (M4 TC) Secondary Weapon: UTG Shotgun
Future Purchases: JG AUG A3 Socom Gear M1911 MEU Tactical Vest X-Camo ACU
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|  | | Jarhead999 76 65 General


Posts: 3222 Join date: 2009-04-30 Age: 78 Location: Rio Rancho/NW Albuquerque, New Mexico, Socialist States of Obama
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:06 pm | |
| I agree with br33ftw. If something gets out of hand, I want out. _________________ Sure, I believe in Divine Intervention. If by "Divine Intervention" you mean Level IIIA Ballistics protection The Rifle I Hope to Buy SoonLoadout: US Marine Condor IBA, MICH, Marine Issue Woodland MARPATs, Belleville 550 boots, JG G36C, and WELL G55 MP5K Soon to buy: KWA 1911, WE AFC M16A3 |
|  | | Creed769 Captain


Posts: 496 Join date: 2008-12-30 Age: 15 Location: Southern California
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:09 pm | |
| Perfect, we do not need to debate about religion or politics! _________________ The flagellar motor! Evidence of intelligent design?  Hi, I'm a Christian! |
|  | | Zane Major


Posts: 612 Join date: 2008-09-06 Age: 100 Location: In a place
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:11 pm | |
| Like I said there will be no possible way for it to get out of hand with the topics given, As I said several times earlier no topics will consist of anythng not debatable, this includes-but is not limited to, religeon, politics, personal beliefs. And if you don't have the self control to handle debate then your not welcome, pure and simple. And if you don't have the maturity to handle it you know it. Theres no further point in bringing up the fact that there are politics involved, there aren't- and there never will be. _________________ Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
We feel free when we escape, even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
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|  | | AFU Moderator

Posts: 319 Join date: 2008-10-27 Age: 21 Location: Lake Arrowhead
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:16 pm | |
| Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals. If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot. _________________ This Message has been brought to you by: S.A.F.
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|  | | Spl. Durkee General


Posts: 2011 Join date: 2009-03-28 Age: 99 Location: Los Angeles, CA
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:56 pm | |
| | AFU wrote: | Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals.
If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot. |
We're suggesting this in response to the closure and deletion of some recent "debates" in The Lounge. It's difficult to maintain a perfectly legitimate debate while threads are being locked due to the 1 percenters out there causing trouble...
...theoretically a private section, moderated strictly by a neutral party and only allowing pre-screened members to participate, would cut down on the need to discontinue legit debates.
Or at least thats what I understand the purpose to be._________________ If you need help with video editing, photo touchups and Fx, forum sigs/avatars, web design, patches, or anything else...feel free to PM me or contact me directly at: spl.durkee@gmail.comBetter to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -Lincoln |
|  | | DrummerBoyz95 Colonel


Posts: 1386 Join date: 2009-05-13 Age: 14 Location: Ventura County, CA
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:03 pm | |
| See, from what I was reading, it was sounding like you guys wanted to debate politics all over the place, and I objected. | Creed769 wrote: | | Ya Slob but there is no place to debate POLITICS and RELIGION, and it seems like that's what the "people" want. |
That's what I was against. I'm all for it as long as you guys debate worthy topics. That is, worthy for an airsoft forum.
| AFU wrote: | Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. Users post a subject located in category guides and their opening statement about it, followed by an unlimited number of rebuttals.
If you want to talk about something unrelated to airsoft, use the lounge. Excluding those items that are not permitted. Which in retrospect isn't a lot. |
If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about a judged and outlined debate, where two parties debate a given topic, instead of what we've already had going for the past 2 years or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong. _________________ I use my trusty JG AK Y&P Mk23
Summer additions: KWA Glock 18c (!!!!!!) KWA Beretta M93R II JG AUG "A3"
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|  | | Omega Lambda Captain


Posts: 413 Join date: 2009-06-16 Age: 17 Location: Whidbey Island, WA
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:06 pm | |
| I don't see any need for it. All I see is a bunch of guys with too much spare time on their hands, who want to change things up. Not to say I haven't been there before. _________________ Currently fielding: G&G M-16A2 VN Grenadier MARPAT ACU MARPAT MOLLE IBA In reserve: Cybergun AK-47 Spetsnaz UCP ACU a can of whupass
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|  | | Zane Major


Posts: 612 Join date: 2008-09-06 Age: 100 Location: In a place
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:12 pm | |
| | Quote: | | If I'm not mistaken, we're talking about a judged and outlined debate, where two parties debate a given topic, instead of what we've already had going for the past 2 years or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
That is EXACTLY right, were talking structured debat here...not a pissing contest between a bunch of people argueing for the sake of argueing.
IF you would kindly take the time to look at this thread you will see what this is about.
I propose a trail run in the lounge section, and if it goes well--and theres alot of parcipatation-- we consider the private debate section, were those who have proven maturity in the lounge area will be allowed to debate any topic following said format.
If we do eventualy get the debate section we could have trail debates in the lounge area to see those who are mature enough, and those that are are iven access to the private section. _________________ Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
We feel free when we escape, even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
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|  | | br55ftw Sergeant


Posts: 230 Join date: 2009-04-04 Age: 15 Location: Clinton, NY
 | Subject: Re: Debate Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:18 pm | |
| | Zane wrote: | That is EXACTLY right, were talking structured debat here...not a pissing contest between a bunch of people argueing for the sake of argueing.
IF you would kindly take the time to look at this thread you will see what this is about.
I propose a trail run in the lounge section, and if it goes well--and theres alot of parcipatation-- we consider the private debate section, were those who have proven maturity in the lounge area will be allowed to debate any topic following said format.
If we do eventualy get the debate section we could have trail debates in the lounge area to see those who are mature enough, and those that are are iven access to the private section. |
Agreed, Zane. You have my full support. _________________ Primary Weapon: Echo 1 SPR MOD 1 (M4 TC) Secondary Weapon: UTG Shotgun
Future Purchases: JG AUG A3 Socom Gear M1911 MEU Tactical Vest X-Camo ACU
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|  | | M14 double-taps Moderator

Posts: 1167 Join date: 2008-07-14 Age: 16 Location: St. Louis, MO
 | Subject: Re: Debate Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:44 am | |
| As a varsity debator at my school and a dedicated member of this AIRSOFT forum, some questions arise: What is your objective, and how will of better our airsoft community? How will these debates be structured/outlined? (I.E. Lincoln-Douglas, Policy, or public forum...which each have seperate rules which seem very dificult to follow over the Internet...) Are these supposed to be competitive meaning there will actually be a winner and loser/s? I'll need to more before I side....I am iffy of this idea on an airsoft forum. However, of we can accomplish a structured argumentive section (even though we have many....this whole forum) where clean debates take place....well I just may have join the fun  _________________ Gentleman....(cocks his 1911)...Prepare to defend yourselves!!!
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|  | | Zane Major


Posts: 612 Join date: 2008-09-06 Age: 100 Location: In a place
 | Subject: Re: Debate Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:10 am | |
| Honsostly we will be using zanypoo rules it will be a structured debate between two people of simular skill levels, the format will be each have one point, one rebuttal and one counter statement. This will occur over a two week time, and yes there will be a a clear winner and looser. As for the goal..my goal here is to increase peoples capacity for debate and perhaps teach them that just arguaing makes you look like a idiot., weres debate will get you more respect..even if the other side doesnt agree with you. _________________ Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
We feel free when we escape, even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
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|  | | M14 double-taps Moderator

Posts: 1167 Join date: 2008-07-14 Age: 16 Location: St. Louis, MO
 | Subject: Re: Debate Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:10 am | |
| | Zane wrote: | As for the goal..my goal here is to increase peoples capacity for debate and perhaps teach them that just arguaing makes you look like a idiot., weres debate will get you more respect..even if the other side doesnt agree with you. |
....I like this and I think you have a good idea. I'll follow this more closely. _________________ Gentleman....(cocks his 1911)...Prepare to defend yourselves!!!
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|  | | Admin Admin

Posts: 591 Join date: 2008-01-24 Age: 22 Location: Logan, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: Debate Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:45 pm | |
| | DrummerBoyz95 wrote: | | I'm pretty sure this website and it's administration panel are still limited to the features of the free forum hosting company it was started on. That's not much... |
Ha, I wish this forum was free to host. No, I do pay fees to hold this domain name and for the hosting. However, I am still limited on what I can do because of the software's limitations and my own programming limitations. 
| slob212 wrote: | I think an extra area would be redundant, the Lounge offers the opertunity to discuss and Debate any subject and topic, the MODS and ADMIN are pretty liberal with the Forum Rules and donīt go overboard with deleting or locking topics |
Agreed.
| AFU wrote: | | Didn't you know that we already have a debate section. Yeah, that's what a forum is. |
Although there's a little sarcasm in there ( ), I have to agree with AFU. The forum IS a "debate" section. A forum is designed to allow people with the same interests to get together and discuss (or debate) their common passion. More often than not, it's people with differing views on the subject discussing their opinions & experiences, and learning more about their hobby. If you want to go on to say that an actual "debate" is different than a "discussion" like we have here on the forum, such as being more intense/heated, then I would prefer there to be no debates held here at all. I want to keep Airsoft Allies a (fairly) relaxed place where people can get along, despite not always agreeing on things.
Debates lead to hurt feelings. And that is not what I want for this forum or its members.
Also, it was suggested that topics other than airsoft should be debated. That's great if you're passionate about things other than airsoft, but it's best for the forum if those topics are debated on forums designed for that particular subject. We have a lounge that, as Slob pointed out, is fairly relaxed with what we allow being said in it. However, if you're looking for an educated debate on a topic like gun control, then maybe it's best you visit a forum more suited for it.
If we were to JUST debate airsoft-related topics, then what's the difference between that and the forum as it is right now? In the forum people post their opinion, based on facts (hopefully), and then other people can add to the statement, disagree with it, tell their personal experiences to support their claim, etc.
I don't mean to step on any toes here, and I appreciate your wanting to improve the forum, but I simply don't see anything like this happening for Airsoft Allies. I'm always willing to hear new ideas for the forum though, so please keep thinking! Message me if you have any questions/ideas, or email me at alliesforum(at)gmail.com. |
|  | | Satan Major


Posts: 745 Join date: 2008-07-21 Age: 14 Location: bucks county PA
 | Subject: Re: Debate Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:30 am | |
| I like what doubletap said whats really the point i think most people come here to discuss airsoft and when they have something weird to say they put it in the lounge. I think the best thing to ask for is that debate topics are clearly labeled in the name as a debate and they should not just be deleted if someones dumb. The people participating in the debate should just ignore the stupid person and let the mods delete that users post and/or ban him/her until said debate is over. My two cents _________________ The avatar is me WARPIGS founder and leader
On the field im known for my wrath therefore ive been called Satan Tampon Kill: Throwing a used tampon at your opponent in CQB, giving your team a Kill and your adversary an STD.
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|  | | Zane Major


Posts: 612 Join date: 2008-09-06 Age: 100 Location: In a place
 | Subject: Re: Debate Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:49 am | |
| mhm I think a lock is in order for this..its been dead a long time no need to necro it. _________________ Ubi Concordia, Ibi Victoria
We feel free when we escape, even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
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